When ChatGPT first emerged, Carnegie Mellon mathematician Po-Shen Loh traveled the country preaching creativity as humanity's last refuge from AI. Today, he no longer makes that claim—because he's witnessed AI solve four out of six problems from the International Math Olympiad, problems so original that coaches worldwide verify nothing similar has ever appeared before.
Po-Shen Loh isn't your typical math professor. Beyond his role at Carnegie Mellon University, he's the coach of the US Olympic math team and a social entrepreneur running a revolutionary education program that pairs high school math stars with professional comedians. His unconventional approach stems from a sobering realization: even the most brilliant minds can end up depressed and directionless if they're only trained to outcompete others.
In this candid interview, Loh reveals the only trait that will matter in the AI era, why using AI for homework is like driving a car for exercise, and his audacious plan to build a network of "kind and clever" people who might just save human civilization.
Watch the full interview now on EO's YouTube channel! Below is the complete transcription of the interview. Minor edits have been made for clarity and readability.
Key Highlights:
"Soon after Chat GPT came out, I started traveling around the country telling people, oh no, there's this new thing people are going to need to learn to be more creative because that's the only thing that the AI can't do. I don't say that anymore because now I've seen that the AI can actually come up with lots and lots of ideas."
"The only unique thing about human intelligence is that we hopefully care that humans still exist."
"Using AI to do your writing homework in school is like saying, I'm not gonna run 1 mile for exercise, I'm gonna drive my car 1 mile for exercise. How much exercise do you get? You get none."
"Soon it will not be that case that humans are the most capable things on this planet. Soon, you're gonna have to work together to survive."
"The only way to get other people to want to team up with you is for you to authentically and deeply be a person who is motivated by creating value in the other."
"The only unique thing about human intelligence is that we hopefully care that humans still exist."
"Using AI to do your writing homework in school is like saying, I'm not gonna run 1 mile for exercise, I'm gonna drive my car 1 mile for exercise. How much exercise do you get? You get none."
"Soon it will not be that case that humans are the most capable things on this planet. Soon, you're gonna have to work together to survive."
"The only way to get other people to want to team up with you is for you to authentically and deeply be a person who is motivated by creating value in the other."
The AI Reality Check: When Creativity Isn't Enough
You mentioned that you used to tell people creativity was the only thing AI couldn't do, but you don't say that anymore. What changed your mind?
Po-Shen Loh: Soon after Chat GPT came out, I started traveling around the country telling people, oh no, there's this new thing people are going to need to learn to be more creative because that's the only thing that the AI can't do. I don't say that anymore because now I've seen that the AI can actually come up with lots and lots of ideas.
Last year, the International Math Olympiad problems, 4 of them were solved by Google's artificial intelligence. The International Math Olympic has 6 questions, and all 6 of the questions are very, very original. They are so original that when the national coaches meet, they all look at the problems and they all try to make sure nothing too similar to those problems has ever appeared in any contest or anywhere in the world before.
The questions are supposed to be really original, but nevertheless, the artificial intelligence was able to come up with solutions to 4 out of 6, which is more than I can do. The creativity in the AI can probably surpass what we can do too. The only unique thing about human intelligence is that we hopefully care that humans still exist.
Last year, the International Math Olympiad problems, 4 of them were solved by Google's artificial intelligence. The International Math Olympic has 6 questions, and all 6 of the questions are very, very original. They are so original that when the national coaches meet, they all look at the problems and they all try to make sure nothing too similar to those problems has ever appeared in any contest or anywhere in the world before.
The questions are supposed to be really original, but nevertheless, the artificial intelligence was able to come up with solutions to 4 out of 6, which is more than I can do. The creativity in the AI can probably surpass what we can do too. The only unique thing about human intelligence is that we hopefully care that humans still exist.
The Exercise Analogy: Why AI Homework is Mental Atrophy
You've expressed concern about students using AI for homework, particularly writing. Can you explain why this troubles you?
Po-Shen Loh: In schools, one of the biggest places where students are using AI to cheat on their homework is for their writing. This unfortunately could make a huge problem for human civilization because you just have to think. What is that AI anyway? It's a large language model. How is that AI so good? It's because it's good at language. It's good at looking at the patterns of words that often appear.
If many kids lose this ability, we'll get many kids who grow up and aren't able to think logically. All they're able to do is just take whatever anyone else gives them. They'll just be dependent.
If you're already grown up and you already have that skill and you're using the AI to achieve that task because that's for your job, great, OK, you're using it to do your job. But if you're in school, why are you doing that writing? It's not because the writing you make is going to make money directly. No, no, that writing is actually part of your own learning.
Using AI to do your writing homework in school is like saying, I'm not gonna run 1 mile for exercise, I'm gonna drive my car 1 mile for exercise. How much exercise do you get? You get none. You're gonna grow up and you're not gonna be able to be as physically fit. Similar thing here with mentally fit.
If many kids lose this ability, we'll get many kids who grow up and aren't able to think logically. All they're able to do is just take whatever anyone else gives them. They'll just be dependent.
If you're already grown up and you already have that skill and you're using the AI to achieve that task because that's for your job, great, OK, you're using it to do your job. But if you're in school, why are you doing that writing? It's not because the writing you make is going to make money directly. No, no, that writing is actually part of your own learning.
Using AI to do your writing homework in school is like saying, I'm not gonna run 1 mile for exercise, I'm gonna drive my car 1 mile for exercise. How much exercise do you get? You get none. You're gonna grow up and you're not gonna be able to be as physically fit. Similar thing here with mentally fit.
What specific skills do you think students need to develop for the AI era?
Po-Shen Loh: Just this observation that the power of the large language model is the L, the language. That's why we need to really make sure that all of our kids, and if you're watching this and you're students, this is why you need to be really, really good with language for the next generation. All of these skills like reading and writing, communication, logic, these are all going to be very important because these are how you develop a good way to think.
I was explaining to people the reason why we do this math is not because eventually we have to do algebra, but the reason is because eventually, this just makes you smarter. So you're able to go and think through situations you haven't seen before and figure them out.
I was explaining to people the reason why we do this math is not because eventually we have to do algebra, but the reason is because eventually, this just makes you smarter. So you're able to go and think through situations you haven't seen before and figure them out.
The Interview Test: How to Spot Real Intelligence
How do you evaluate intelligence when interviewing students?
Po-Shen Loh: I interview lots and lots of high school students who want to work with me. And during the interview, the way that I interview for intelligence is I ask them questions, usually math questions because those are analytical, and I ask them questions until it's very clear from their body language that they have never seen this question before.
Because usually if you're doing math questions and you've seen it before, you have a certain look of confidence in your eyes. But I wait until it's really clear that they've never seen this before, and then I want to see how you think. Actually, because you've never seen that question before, the expectation is that you won't solve it.
And so then I start to give hints. Those hints are usually ideas that they wouldn't have encountered before in school. And then I want to see how quickly can you synthesize these new hints, these new ways of thinking, synthesize them into a solution for a problem we have never seen before. Actually, that's also creativity.
Because usually if you're doing math questions and you've seen it before, you have a certain look of confidence in your eyes. But I wait until it's really clear that they've never seen this before, and then I want to see how you think. Actually, because you've never seen that question before, the expectation is that you won't solve it.
And so then I start to give hints. Those hints are usually ideas that they wouldn't have encountered before in school. And then I want to see how quickly can you synthesize these new hints, these new ways of thinking, synthesize them into a solution for a problem we have never seen before. Actually, that's also creativity.
The Survival Imperative: Why Humans Must Learn to Collaborate
You've said that soon humans won't be the most capable things on the planet. What does this mean for how we need to approach work and relationships?
Po-Shen Loh: Going forward, I think that one of the skills that people will really need is that aspect of actually wanting to create value and delight in other people. Why do I say this? I say this because for many, many years, humans were the top species, the most capable things on this planet. Soon it will not be that case. Soon, you're gonna have to work together to survive.
The only way to get other people to want to team up with you is for you to authentically and deeply be a person who is motivated by creating value in the other. If you are not that way, you are a bad partner and people will not want to go on team with you. If they don't team with you, you will die. You will lose opportunity.
Because eventually, all of these kinds of jobs you can use AIs to do, then why would anyone want to employ you, why would anyone want to have you as someone on their team? Presumably only because they somehow felt like you are going to create some value and they like that vibe, they like you.
The only way to get other people to want to team up with you is for you to authentically and deeply be a person who is motivated by creating value in the other. If you are not that way, you are a bad partner and people will not want to go on team with you. If they don't team with you, you will die. You will lose opportunity.
Because eventually, all of these kinds of jobs you can use AIs to do, then why would anyone want to employ you, why would anyone want to have you as someone on their team? Presumably only because they somehow felt like you are going to create some value and they like that vibe, they like you.
How do you think about problem-solving in this new era?
Po-Shen Loh: I think what we really need is to get more and more people who are figuring out what the real problem to solve is, but unfortunately, sometimes when kids just think about problems, they don't realize that the way that you solve a problem is through empathy and through relating to other people. Why? Because you can't solve a problem unless you can visualize it through their eyes.
The Simulation Superpower: Using AI to Build Better Mental Models
You mentioned spending time working on being better at simulating the world. How do you use AI for that?
Po-Shen Loh: I do spend a significant amount of my life working towards the goal of being better at simulating the world. I also use AI for that. I think, well, I'll give one exact example. I was just in Nashville, Tennessee last week, and I just saw a really talented singer in one of the bars there, wow, she's good, and I just got curious, how hard is it to be able to get a performing spot on Broadway in Nashville?
So I asked AI and I was actually not just interested in AI tell me what it is. I want to see the links, you know, tell me more, what is the background of this particular place here? She's performing at, right? I will make my own conclusions based on knowing, oh, I see. So there's all of these different people who would want to do this thing, right? So if you're one of the people who got picked to do it at this prime time, oh, this makes logical sense.
See, I'm using the AI to build the logic inside my brain for understanding country music performance and why was I trying to understand? Honestly, it's because these days I also work with professional entertainers, so I'm also myself always scouting. The big heart of this is I wasn't using the AI to write the report for me. I was using AI to make myself better at that particular goal.
Being able to simulate the world is the superpower that makes someone able to be a successful entrepreneur. Simulating the world allows you to imagine a product or imagine a strategy. And then play it forward in your head. What would happen if I did this?
So I asked AI and I was actually not just interested in AI tell me what it is. I want to see the links, you know, tell me more, what is the background of this particular place here? She's performing at, right? I will make my own conclusions based on knowing, oh, I see. So there's all of these different people who would want to do this thing, right? So if you're one of the people who got picked to do it at this prime time, oh, this makes logical sense.
See, I'm using the AI to build the logic inside my brain for understanding country music performance and why was I trying to understand? Honestly, it's because these days I also work with professional entertainers, so I'm also myself always scouting. The big heart of this is I wasn't using the AI to write the report for me. I was using AI to make myself better at that particular goal.
Being able to simulate the world is the superpower that makes someone able to be a successful entrepreneur. Simulating the world allows you to imagine a product or imagine a strategy. And then play it forward in your head. What would happen if I did this?
From Competition to Compassion: A Philosophy Shift
You mentioned that early in your career you were 'a solution looking for a problem.' What changed your approach?
Po-Shen Loh: A long time ago when I started with education, I was actually just thinking about how to help people do math problems. Today when I think back to that time, I think I was probably a solution looking for a problem. In the sense that somehow I thought it would be very important for people to be good at math, but then things that happened later in my life as I became the national coach of the US Olympic math team, I saw situations where there were so many so clever, so capable people who were still so depressed.
And furthermore, after they graduated from high school, they even didn't really know what to do next because they thought that the point of life was to find ways to prove you're better than other people. That's when I realized we actually will do much better if we think about the philosophy to start with, right?
The philosophy in life should not be, how do I outdo everyone else. If you do that, you'll probably never be satisfied. But if your philosophy in life is, hey, it is actually addictive to make a bunch of other people happy. Oh, now I can do it for 5 people. Oh, now I can do it for 500 people. Oh wow, now I can get 1000 people to come to this thing. The more that you do, the more you want to do, and the fun part is that correlates also with traditional success.
Then I realized, ah, I should be trying to push this worldwide, and if I don't do it, who will? With the things I've done in my life. I now have an opportunity to go and say, you know, I've seen what happens if you go all the way in pure competition. I've seen what happens if you go all the way and just practice problems to do the best on tests. Actually, that's not the right target.
And furthermore, after they graduated from high school, they even didn't really know what to do next because they thought that the point of life was to find ways to prove you're better than other people. That's when I realized we actually will do much better if we think about the philosophy to start with, right?
The philosophy in life should not be, how do I outdo everyone else. If you do that, you'll probably never be satisfied. But if your philosophy in life is, hey, it is actually addictive to make a bunch of other people happy. Oh, now I can do it for 5 people. Oh, now I can do it for 500 people. Oh wow, now I can get 1000 people to come to this thing. The more that you do, the more you want to do, and the fun part is that correlates also with traditional success.
Then I realized, ah, I should be trying to push this worldwide, and if I don't do it, who will? With the things I've done in my life. I now have an opportunity to go and say, you know, I've seen what happens if you go all the way in pure competition. I've seen what happens if you go all the way and just practice problems to do the best on tests. Actually, that's not the right target.
The Revolutionary Education Model: Math Stars Meet Hollywood
Can you explain your unique educational program that combines math coaching with professional acting training?
Po-Shen Loh: I am a math professor at Carnegie Mellon University. The way I teach every single one of my classes is that I just go up to the chalkboard with a piece of chalk and I write, today we're going to do this. But I forgot exactly how to do this, so I need all of you to suggest ideas. And then the whole class experience becomes one where the students are suggesting ideas and I'm giving them feedback on their ideas.
And what I've been working on as a social entrepreneur to make it possible for everybody to be able to experience education in this way is we run an online program. It's called Live. We found a way to scale up the education of critical thinking. You see, the limiting factor is to have enough coaches to lead all of this critical thinking and brainstorming, and we scale it up by making a win-win situation.
By just observing that one of the greatest ages to learn critical thinking is when you're 10 to 13 years old, and it turns out that some of the best people to lead 10 to 13-year-old kids into the joy of being thoughtful are high school kids who are about 15 to 18 years old, but what I observed is that there were plenty of kids who were 15 to 18 years old who were already very clever academically, especially in math. Their limiting factor in life eventually was not going to be their science, technology, engineering, or math. It would be communication skills, confidence, and the ability to win over anybody and lead a team.
So I created a program where we find kind and mathematically clever high schoolers, and then I hire professional comedians and actors to teach them how to be charismatic and how to be able to win over anybody, because if you can convince anybody to love math, you can convince anybody to do anything.
And what I've been working on as a social entrepreneur to make it possible for everybody to be able to experience education in this way is we run an online program. It's called Live. We found a way to scale up the education of critical thinking. You see, the limiting factor is to have enough coaches to lead all of this critical thinking and brainstorming, and we scale it up by making a win-win situation.
By just observing that one of the greatest ages to learn critical thinking is when you're 10 to 13 years old, and it turns out that some of the best people to lead 10 to 13-year-old kids into the joy of being thoughtful are high school kids who are about 15 to 18 years old, but what I observed is that there were plenty of kids who were 15 to 18 years old who were already very clever academically, especially in math. Their limiting factor in life eventually was not going to be their science, technology, engineering, or math. It would be communication skills, confidence, and the ability to win over anybody and lead a team.
So I created a program where we find kind and mathematically clever high schoolers, and then I hire professional comedians and actors to teach them how to be charismatic and how to be able to win over anybody, because if you can convince anybody to love math, you can convince anybody to do anything.
How does this system work in practice?
Po-Shen Loh: So this exchange, they're trained by the actors, they coach math while they're coaching math, we pay for an actor to watch them for every hour that they're coaching math. The actor gives them real-time feedback to help them become more enthusiastic, emphatic, and a more winning personality win-win situation now the high schoolers directly benefit their life becomes much better. In return, they're producing all of these critical thinking classes for kids all around the country.
The architecture of this is that it just connects people. We are introducing kind and thoughtful high school students to middle school students to help them see, hey, you could become these great people who are having fun and also having a very fulfilling life, but also the way we execute the whole thing. The high schoolers all teach in pairs. That not only makes the experience more fun for the people who are learning math, but it makes it so that these kind and really mathematically clever people get to know each other.
The architecture of this is that it just connects people. We are introducing kind and thoughtful high school students to middle school students to help them see, hey, you could become these great people who are having fun and also having a very fulfilling life, but also the way we execute the whole thing. The high schoolers all teach in pairs. That not only makes the experience more fun for the people who are learning math, but it makes it so that these kind and really mathematically clever people get to know each other.
What's the bigger vision behind building this network?
Po-Shen Loh: Because I don't know what kind of challenges we're going to face in the future. I think they're going to be quite big and technology will make it so that whatever the challenges we face are, they're big. So we also need to have a big network of kind people who are clever, who know each other and who have trust, so that if there are some civilization threatening challenges that arise, well then maybe there will be some people who will stand up, work together and do something about it.
This is what I pay attention to as I travel around the entire country and the world. I'm actually thinking about the robustness of human society, whether or not, if there was some challenge that faced the world due to technology, are we as human civilization equipped to rise up and face that challenge? To me, it all starts from thoughtfulness. The work I do is really focused on building up autonomous human thinking.
This is what I pay attention to as I travel around the entire country and the world. I'm actually thinking about the robustness of human society, whether or not, if there was some challenge that faced the world due to technology, are we as human civilization equipped to rise up and face that challenge? To me, it all starts from thoughtfulness. The work I do is really focused on building up autonomous human thinking.
The Thinking Crisis: Why Fun Matters More Than Efficiency
You've mentioned that people are becoming less interested in thinking. What's driving this trend?
Po-Shen Loh: That's why the core word I use for the philosophy is thoughtful. I've watched over many years as people are becoming less and less interested in thinking. I think that actually happened because people found out that they can entertain themselves with iPads, and this unfortunately makes people also not have as much interest in concentrating and thinking about something. AI could make that much worse.
The fun part of life is having your own contribution to the life that you live. Actually, I think that's why people actually like creativity. It's fun. People like to draw, people like to put their own flavor, people like to wear their own fashion. It expresses this expression of yourself, it would be lost if everything you do is efficient, but just reliant on the AI which told you how to dress today.
That's why I want more and more people to discover it's fun to think. It's fun to have your own twist on things, your own idea that you inject inside.
The fun part of life is having your own contribution to the life that you live. Actually, I think that's why people actually like creativity. It's fun. People like to draw, people like to put their own flavor, people like to wear their own fashion. It expresses this expression of yourself, it would be lost if everything you do is efficient, but just reliant on the AI which told you how to dress today.
That's why I want more and more people to discover it's fun to think. It's fun to have your own twist on things, your own idea that you inject inside.
What are the dangers if people lose the ability to think critically?
Po-Shen Loh: The other dangerous thing that happens if people lose the ability to think and reason is that it makes it far easier to deceive people. The world is so complicated that if you look at any situation in the world, sometimes depending on how you tell the story of what happened, you can say statements that are all true which make you come up with a different feeling.
I think it's really important for people to be critical and to be for people to be able to understand what's really going on, because sometimes when someone's talking to you, they have an agenda. Like I'll be frank, I have an agenda. I'm trying to build a more thoughtful world, and I'm going to be very, very upfront with you on that.
Anyone who's watching this video, I think it's really important that we have as many people as possible find out how much fun it is to delight other people and to have the ability to think and figure that out. That's my agenda. But you see, everyone has an agenda. And if you can't think for yourself and you just listen to some authority, what if that agenda is actually to your detriment? You have no way of knowing.
I think it's really important for people to be critical and to be for people to be able to understand what's really going on, because sometimes when someone's talking to you, they have an agenda. Like I'll be frank, I have an agenda. I'm trying to build a more thoughtful world, and I'm going to be very, very upfront with you on that.
Anyone who's watching this video, I think it's really important that we have as many people as possible find out how much fun it is to delight other people and to have the ability to think and figure that out. That's my agenda. But you see, everyone has an agenda. And if you can't think for yourself and you just listen to some authority, what if that agenda is actually to your detriment? You have no way of knowing.
The Bias Problem: Why We Need Multiple Perspectives
How do you think about bias, especially in AI systems?
Po-Shen Loh: The technology revolution really made all of us start to realize how much of an impact bias has in the sense that whoever makes some technology tool has some bias. What does bias really mean? Well, I guess as a mathematician, the way I would say it is 2 + 2 is always 4. That's right. What's the point of life? Oh, I don't know. Like there's no clear definition, what's the point of life.
I think the point of life is to delight as many other people as you can, but I know that you might not necessarily agree, and it's not a problem. I think it's healthy that we may have different starting points. The part that becomes unhealthy is where there is only a very short menu of options, each of which is followed by a huge number of people.
That's actually where bias comes in because we just mentioned so far in this video a couple of different sources of AI providers. We have OpenAI, there's also Gemini. If you are in China, there's Deepseek. There are all of these, but that's relatively few. If you think about it, that would be sort of like saying, well, the world has lots of different viewpoints. It has 5 of them. Really? No, no, the world has 7.5 billion different viewpoints. There are 7.5 billion people.
I think the point of life is to delight as many other people as you can, but I know that you might not necessarily agree, and it's not a problem. I think it's healthy that we may have different starting points. The part that becomes unhealthy is where there is only a very short menu of options, each of which is followed by a huge number of people.
That's actually where bias comes in because we just mentioned so far in this video a couple of different sources of AI providers. We have OpenAI, there's also Gemini. If you are in China, there's Deepseek. There are all of these, but that's relatively few. If you think about it, that would be sort of like saying, well, the world has lots of different viewpoints. It has 5 of them. Really? No, no, the world has 7.5 billion different viewpoints. There are 7.5 billion people.
How do you personally combat bias in your information consumption?
Po-Shen Loh: One of the beautiful things about humanity is the fact that there are so many different ideas all out there and let's be frank, some of the ideas are bad. Some of the people are unfortunately in prison because they decided to kill someone else. Hopefully we all understand that this is a bad idea, but the point is there are lots of different people who are trying different kinds of ideas, lots of different philosophies, and in this great big marketplace of ideas that is the world, we see some ideas come out, and the variety also allows us to have more creativity perhaps.
And when I look at the different AI tools, well, it's actually well known that they have certain biases. This is also why for me when I try to get the news, I don't only go to CNN.com. I also go to Fox News. I tune my social media so that my X is all tracking Republican right-leaning viewpoints, and my Facebook is all tracking left-leaning viewpoints, and I look at both of them every day because I want to see what's going on.
And my expectation is, yes, you're going to be biased, you have a certain view on the world and you think you're right. And you're biased too, you have a way of thinking of the world and my job as I simulate the world is to try to figure out where do you disagree. Ah, you disagree perhaps on a few values of how people should live their life. And then that causes you to have different ways of reporting on the story.
And when I look at the different AI tools, well, it's actually well known that they have certain biases. This is also why for me when I try to get the news, I don't only go to CNN.com. I also go to Fox News. I tune my social media so that my X is all tracking Republican right-leaning viewpoints, and my Facebook is all tracking left-leaning viewpoints, and I look at both of them every day because I want to see what's going on.
And my expectation is, yes, you're going to be biased, you have a certain view on the world and you think you're right. And you're biased too, you have a way of thinking of the world and my job as I simulate the world is to try to figure out where do you disagree. Ah, you disagree perhaps on a few values of how people should live their life. And then that causes you to have different ways of reporting on the story.
Building the Future: Social Entrepreneurship That Actually Works
Despite all these challenges with AI and bias, you remain optimistic. What gives you hope?
Po-Shen Loh: I am an optimist, as you can probably tell from the way I'm talking. I'm optimistic because I can see that thoughtful people stick together. I've been working on my work with this whole group of high school students and so on for 3 years, and I can just see there are so many kids who are not kids anymore, who are growing up, who are really clever, but so kind. And they also know each other.
They make me optimistic about the future, not only the ones that I work with, but the fact that if I'm working with these people, that means there are other people out there too. I'm basically seeing with my own eyes the power of what can be done if you bring together people who have in common this idea that they actually like people and they want to make the world brighter.
See, one reason I'm building this whole community of really kind and clever people is because I'm also hoping to eventually build a whole lot of social entrepreneurs. Social entrepreneur is someone who makes a conscious decision to not necessarily become that rich. You're doing it for a different purpose. It's not because you want tons of money. It's because what makes you happy is seeing lots of delighted people.
They make me optimistic about the future, not only the ones that I work with, but the fact that if I'm working with these people, that means there are other people out there too. I'm basically seeing with my own eyes the power of what can be done if you bring together people who have in common this idea that they actually like people and they want to make the world brighter.
See, one reason I'm building this whole community of really kind and clever people is because I'm also hoping to eventually build a whole lot of social entrepreneurs. Social entrepreneur is someone who makes a conscious decision to not necessarily become that rich. You're doing it for a different purpose. It's not because you want tons of money. It's because what makes you happy is seeing lots of delighted people.
What's your advice for aspiring social entrepreneurs?
Po-Shen Loh: Social entrepreneurship, it is hard. The hard part is that sometimes at the beginning you feel this is an important problem that needs to be solved. Why won't people pay me to do it? I need a donation or an investment or something. That's how I started off.
Today, when I do my social entrepreneurship, I think very carefully, how much does that problem actually cost? You know that if it's a problem, there's a real cost. In fact, it should be possible to make money. That word entrepreneur hopefully also includes something about sustainability through business type form. A good social enterprise should make a net profit on every single person that they help, right?
The problem that happens with social entrepreneurship sometimes is that people are doing something which would be nice to solve. But they haven't found a way to tie that together with solving a problem that has real monetary value that you can find someone to pay for. You should hopefully be able to figure out how it costs the world something that the problem is there. Aha, now try to figure out who is paying that cost right now and see if maybe they would be interested in paying you for you to go and solve that problem.
Today, when I do my social entrepreneurship, I think very carefully, how much does that problem actually cost? You know that if it's a problem, there's a real cost. In fact, it should be possible to make money. That word entrepreneur hopefully also includes something about sustainability through business type form. A good social enterprise should make a net profit on every single person that they help, right?
The problem that happens with social entrepreneurship sometimes is that people are doing something which would be nice to solve. But they haven't found a way to tie that together with solving a problem that has real monetary value that you can find someone to pay for. You should hopefully be able to figure out how it costs the world something that the problem is there. Aha, now try to figure out who is paying that cost right now and see if maybe they would be interested in paying you for you to go and solve that problem.
How long did it take you to develop your current educational model?
Po-Shen Loh: How come nobody else ever thought of putting professional actors to live coach high school math stars who are kind while they live stream math classes to middle school kids, and that whole thing builds an ecosystem that builds a more thoughtful world that can hopefully help to sustain our human civilization. It's actually an obvious idea. There are actors. There are math people. We can all win.
It took 11 years to really build up to the stage that I am right now. It took 8 years to come up with that idea. You can imagine how many other weird ideas came about along the way. Anytime I see anything in the world or something I need to do, I try to keep coming up with a weird new way to do it.
For fun, I like to constantly be thinking, is there another way? Is there another way? Is there another way? When I do this, most of the time I come up with a way. And then the next question becomes, all right, what could be wrong with it? So I first generate like this. I want to generate a new idea, and after the new idea is there, I say, now I want to destroy the new idea. I want to shoot it down. How could it possibly be wrong?
Because 99% of the ideas that I generate that are new are fundamentally flawed, but 1% are good. You have to just be constantly for its own sake saying, could there be another way of doing this? Could there be another way of doing this? So this combination of generate with excitement, destroy with lots and lots of effort, and then after a while one diamond appears. Then push it.
It took 11 years to really build up to the stage that I am right now. It took 8 years to come up with that idea. You can imagine how many other weird ideas came about along the way. Anytime I see anything in the world or something I need to do, I try to keep coming up with a weird new way to do it.
For fun, I like to constantly be thinking, is there another way? Is there another way? Is there another way? When I do this, most of the time I come up with a way. And then the next question becomes, all right, what could be wrong with it? So I first generate like this. I want to generate a new idea, and after the new idea is there, I say, now I want to destroy the new idea. I want to shoot it down. How could it possibly be wrong?
Because 99% of the ideas that I generate that are new are fundamentally flawed, but 1% are good. You have to just be constantly for its own sake saying, could there be another way of doing this? Could there be another way of doing this? So this combination of generate with excitement, destroy with lots and lots of effort, and then after a while one diamond appears. Then push it.
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